Who should control the Malvinas?
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by {THE DUDE} on Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:22 pm
There aren't any Argentinians there. Sure it's a hangover from imperialism but there is no support on the Island for Argentian rule. Saying Argentina should rule it simply because it's close souds a lot like the argument we should be part of Britain just because we are attached to England.
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by Caveman Ninja on Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:00 pm
The people are British, they wan't to be British, there's no issue - it stays British. If the Argies want it they'll have to try a lot harder than last time.
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by Caveman Ninja on Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:16 pm
Just realised that I agreed with Demo in the Politics forum. That's got to be a first.
What do the Falklands have that they want anyway? Are the new governments in SA researching using penguins and seals as a source of renewable energy or something?
What do the Falklands have that they want anyway? Are the new governments in SA researching using penguins and seals as a source of renewable energy or something?
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by Shad on Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:32 am
alex999 wrote: Just realised that I agreed with Demo in the Politics forum. That's got to be a first.
What do the Falklands have that they want anyway? Are the new governments in SA researching using penguins and seals as a source of renewable energy or something?
If It was a military base or something similar it would be pissing on Arg sovereignty
What do the Falklands have that they want anyway? Are the new governments in SA researching using penguins and seals as a source of renewable energy or something?
If It was a military base or something similar it would be pissing on Arg sovereignty
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by 2Minutes2Midnight on Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:10 am
Demogorgon wrote: There aren't any Argentinians there. Sure it's a hangover from imperialism but there is no support on the Island for Argentian rule. Saying Argentina should rule it simply because it's close souds a lot like the argument we should be part of Britain just because we are attached to England.
Fair enough, but to be consistent you have to also agree that Tibet should be part of China if all of the Han Chinese who have migrated west in recent years voted that way. Or if England sent millions of English north into Scotland and then allowed you to vote on independence with the English migrants making up the majority of voters...
Fair enough, but to be consistent you have to also agree that Tibet should be part of China if all of the Han Chinese who have migrated west in recent years voted that way. Or if England sent millions of English north into Scotland and then allowed you to vote on independence with the English migrants making up the majority of voters...
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by {THE DUDE} on Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:48 am
WastedOnTheWay wrote: Demogorgon wrote: There aren't any Argentinians there. Sure it's a hangover from imperialism but there is no support on the Island for Argentian rule. Saying Argentina should rule it simply because it's close souds a lot like the argument we should be part of Britain just because we are attached to England.
Fair enough, but to be consistent you have to also agree that Tibet should be part of China if all of the Han Chinese who have migrated west in recent years voted that way. Or if England sent millions of English north into Scotland and then allowed you to vote on independence with the English migrants making up the majority of voters...
Well we would be talking about oppressing a minority then, which would make matters different. But there is no minority on the Falklands to be oppressed. By all means have a vote on joining Argentina but they ain't going to win.
Fair enough, but to be consistent you have to also agree that Tibet should be part of China if all of the Han Chinese who have migrated west in recent years voted that way. Or if England sent millions of English north into Scotland and then allowed you to vote on independence with the English migrants making up the majority of voters...
Well we would be talking about oppressing a minority then, which would make matters different. But there is no minority on the Falklands to be oppressed. By all means have a vote on joining Argentina but they ain't going to win.
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by 2Minutes2Midnight on Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:26 am
Demogorgon wrote: Well we would be talking about oppressing a minority then, which would make matters different. But there is no minority on the Falklands to be oppressed. By all means have a vote on joining Argentina but they ain't going to win.
The British drove the oppressed Argentinian minority off the island in 1982 :...:
The British drove the oppressed Argentinian minority off the island in 1982 :...:
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by {THE DUDE} on Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:04 am
WastedOnTheWay wrote: Demogorgon wrote: Well we would be talking about oppressing a minority then, which would make matters different. But there is no minority on the Falklands to be oppressed. By all means have a vote on joining Argentina but they ain't going to win.
The British drove the oppressed Argentinian minority off the island in 1982 :...:
True, the Falklands war was a terrible thing, and yet another thing to curse Thatcher for.
But at the end of the day, it is very easy to say the Falklands should be Argentinian, but try and tell the people who live there that. I don't think people's sovereignty should be decided above their heads with no influence from them.
The British drove the oppressed Argentinian minority off the island in 1982 :...:
True, the Falklands war was a terrible thing, and yet another thing to curse Thatcher for.
But at the end of the day, it is very easy to say the Falklands should be Argentinian, but try and tell the people who live there that. I don't think people's sovereignty should be decided above their heads with no influence from them.
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by Puckfiend on Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:42 am
alex999 wrote: Just realised that I agreed with Demo in the Politics forum. That's got to be a first.
probably the first time I disagreed with him to.
In simple terms it's theft. Colonialism must end and must end now. There's plenty of room in Britain for the people if they don't want to live under the rightful owners of the land they stole.
probably the first time I disagreed with him to.
In simple terms it's theft. Colonialism must end and must end now. There's plenty of room in Britain for the people if they don't want to live under the rightful owners of the land they stole.
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by Puckfiend on Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:20 am
Demogorgon wrote: I don't think people's sovereignty should be decided above their heads with no influence from them.
Unfortunately thats how the boundaries of most states in the world came about. In a lot of places it worked, in more it didn't. The people of the Falklands are the descendents of the beneficiaries of sovereignty being decided above peoples heads, the UK took it and then they emigrated there. If my grandfather had stolen nazi artwork and I inherited it, society would tale a dim view of that.
Unfortunately thats how the boundaries of most states in the world came about. In a lot of places it worked, in more it didn't. The people of the Falklands are the descendents of the beneficiaries of sovereignty being decided above peoples heads, the UK took it and then they emigrated there. If my grandfather had stolen nazi artwork and I inherited it, society would tale a dim view of that.
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by {THE DUDE} on Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:58 pm
SRFC wrote: Demogorgon wrote: I don't think people's sovereignty should be decided above their heads with no influence from them.
Unfortunately thats how the boundaries of most states in the world came about. In a lot of places it worked, in more it didn't. The people of the Falklands are the descendents of the beneficiaries of sovereignty being decided above peoples heads, the UK took it and then they emigrated there. If my grandfather had stolen nazi artwork and I inherited it, society would tale a dim view of that.
It's a fair point. But the trouble is Argentina is a product of the same colonial process. Spain seized most of South America but Britain took the Falklands from them.
None of it can be justified, but the way things stand now, I don't see what is to be gained from transfer of power. If there was any significant Argentian population there my views would of course be different.
Unfortunately thats how the boundaries of most states in the world came about. In a lot of places it worked, in more it didn't. The people of the Falklands are the descendents of the beneficiaries of sovereignty being decided above peoples heads, the UK took it and then they emigrated there. If my grandfather had stolen nazi artwork and I inherited it, society would tale a dim view of that.
It's a fair point. But the trouble is Argentina is a product of the same colonial process. Spain seized most of South America but Britain took the Falklands from them.
None of it can be justified, but the way things stand now, I don't see what is to be gained from transfer of power. If there was any significant Argentian population there my views would of course be different.
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