Plushophile wrote: I don't think it's a waste of money.. Other things are even bigger wastes of money.
The only thing I'm concerned about is if it will have an environmental impact.

Amen.

Compared to scientific progress most things are a waste of money. Certainly the feeding of Africa that MV claims he's so in favour of.

Once we can colonise space then the Africans can move somewhere that's not so fucking backwards. Then even he'll see that the money was worthwhile.

This space tourism thing sure sounds exciting. I'll be going, I hope.

Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: This is exciting. We certainely are entering a brave new world of possibility both for business owners and consumers with this space tourism thing.

I don't understand how people can say it is a waste of money. It is launching us into the future!
it's launching a certain class into the future.

Bullshit. Every new venture is expensive when it first gets started. If it progresses smoothly, in a century it may not be rare for a working-class family to vacation out to a space station. In fact, that sounds very likely to me.

You socialists just can't breathe without trying to act like someone is oppressing you. Go eat your kebabs and allow private ventures to help better the human race.
better the human race? how does taking a trip to space better the human race? it costs shitloads of money while on the other side of the world african people are dying from easy treatable diseases.
especially when you talk about this amount of money, it's a disgrace.

It is advancing our progress into the future. If the world was controlled by your brand of socialism before the industrial revolution we'd still be pulled around by ox-drawn carts because the thought of scientific innovation would horrify you while some african somewhere in the world was starving. Face it: there will ALWAYS be suffering. You can't let it keep you from progress.
oh pls, i'm in favour for technological progress, but things like this just make my blood boil because it's just another decadent way for the rich to throw away their money to something pointless.

maiden's virus wrote: oh pls, i'm in favour for technological progress, but things like this just make my blood boil because it's just another decadent way for the rich to throw away their money to something pointless.

The march into the future is 'decadent' and 'pointless'? Could there be anything more important?

Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: oh pls, i'm in favour for technological progress, but things like this just make my blood boil because it's just another decadent way for the rich to throw away their money to something pointless.

The march into the future is 'decadent' and 'pointless'? Could there be anything more important?
anything more important than sending some rich bastards into space?
pls, if you think that is the most important thing then i really think you are a nutcase.
medical technology for one is imo way more important then flying into space.

maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: oh pls, i'm in favour for technological progress, but things like this just make my blood boil because it's just another decadent way for the rich to throw away their money to something pointless.

The march into the future is 'decadent' and 'pointless'? Could there be anything more important?
anything more important than sending some rich bastards into space?
pls, if you think that is the most important thing then i really think you are a nutcase.
medical technology for one is imo way more important then flying into space.

The medical field is important, but the advance into space, I dare say, in the long term, is more significant.
Anyhow, these are private ventures. By following their own self-interest they're moving the world forward.

Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: oh pls, i'm in favour for technological progress, but things like this just make my blood boil because it's just another decadent way for the rich to throw away their money to something pointless.

The march into the future is 'decadent' and 'pointless'? Could there be anything more important?
anything more important than sending some rich bastards into space?
pls, if you think that is the most important thing then i really think you are a nutcase.
medical technology for one is imo way more important then flying into space.

The medical field is important, but the advance into space, I dare say, in the long term, is more significant.
Anyhow, these are private ventures. By following their own self-interest they're moving the world forward.
nonsense, the need for medicins is ever lasting and will only grwon bigger because of new diseases. in the long run it will be medicins that will keep us alive.

This is a ridiculous debate.
Look:
These ventures ARE important to humanity.

Gatocamera wrote: This is a ridiculous debate.
Look:
These ventures ARE important to humanity.
no they are not, at this moment they are nothing more then another decadent money throwing game for the rich. i'd rather like that much money to be given to aids and cancer research, or organisations that try to do something to make life of the poorest better.
i think humanity gains nothing if paris hilton and co travel to space.

maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: This is a ridiculous debate.
Look:
These ventures ARE important to humanity.
no they are not, at this moment they are nothing more then another decadent money throwing game for the rich. i'd rather like that much money to be given to aids and cancer research, or organisations that try to do something to make life of the poorest better.
i think humanity gains nothing if paris hilton and co travel to space.

If you force people to spend all their money on social welfare, society will never progress. As I have said, the industrial revolution, if we operated under your philosophy, would never have happened.
We must be progressive, and constantly further our step into the future. Whether people in Africa are starving or not.

Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: This is a ridiculous debate.
Look:
These ventures ARE important to humanity.
no they are not, at this moment they are nothing more then another decadent money throwing game for the rich. i'd rather like that much money to be given to aids and cancer research, or organisations that try to do something to make life of the poorest better.
i think humanity gains nothing if paris hilton and co travel to space.

If you force people to spend all their money on social welfare, society will never progress. As I have said, the industrial revolution, if we operated under your philosophy, would never have happened.
We must be progressive, and constantly further our step into the future. Whether people in Africa are starving or not.
are you deaf? i said i encourage technology research, space programs like nasa do good work, let them inovate, they get tax money to do so.
and who are you to say the industrial revolution would not have happened?you must have some special power to see what would happen if then eh?
pure speculation on your part, and i will not indulge with you in pure speculation and wild claims
like i said, humanity gains nothing by sending the rich into space.

At one time, only the rich could ride in air planes. Oh how things have changed.
Everything starts our expensive before it booms and eventually is open to the common people.
This is an important venture.

And I said it would not have happened because it was a success precisely because we did not pay attention to social welfare. Your philosophy is incompatible with a technologically progressive society.

Gatocamera wrote: At one time, only the rich could ride in air planes. Oh how things have changed.
Everything starts our expensive before it booms and eventually is open to the common people.
This is an important venture.

And I said it would not have happened because it was a success precisely because we did not pay attention to social welfare. Your philosophy is incompatible with a technologically progressive society.
and what do common people get out of it? i'd rather have a cure for aids then a space travel. i guess this perfectly shows were you and i put our priorities

and your claim that "my philosophy" and technology can't go together is ridiculous. technology is great, this ain't something new it's just a space trip like manny astronauts have done before, for research however. i do not see the gain in sending people up there just for the fun of it.
not while it costs so freakin much and all, btw it will not get cheaper, space ship runs on oil, oil wil be gone in close time, meaning that oil prices will increase and this little thingy will probably be more expensive.
you are acting like they do something groundbreaking, while they just use what we already know to send some rich idiots up there, sorry but that is not technological advancement, that is pure decadence.

maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: At one time, only the rich could ride in air planes. Oh how things have changed.
Everything starts our expensive before it booms and eventually is open to the common people.
This is an important venture.

And I said it would not have happened because it was a success precisely because we did not pay attention to social welfare. Your philosophy is incompatible with a technologically progressive society.
and what do common people get out of it? i'd rather have a cure for aids then a space travel. i guess this perfectly shows were you and i put our priorities

and your claim that "my philosophy" and technology can't go together is ridiculous. technology is great, this ain't something new it's just a space trip like manny astronauts have done before, for research however. i do not see the gain in sending people up there just for the fun of it.
not while it costs so freakin much and all, btw it will not get cheaper, space ship runs on oil, oil wil be gone in close time, meaning that oil prices will increase and this little thingy will probably be more expensive.
you are acting like they do something groundbreaking, while they just use what we already know to send some rich idiots up there, sorry but that is not technological advancement, that is pure decadence.

Firstly, the concern about oil is legitimate. It will be neccesary for us to find some alternative fueling method for these machines. Of course, in the future, once we escape the Earth and begin to expand out into the solar system, we will need more highly advanced machines anyhow.

As long as space is purely a research venture, we won't make much progress in actually populating it. This is the first step, however small, toward getting off this little rock.
I personally think Space Colonies and Space Hotels, if managed correctly, are a great idea.

maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Gatocamera wrote: At one time, only the rich could ride in air planes. Oh how things have changed.
Everything starts our expensive before it booms and eventually is open to the common people.
This is an important venture.

And I said it would not have happened because it was a success precisely because we did not pay attention to social welfare. Your philosophy is incompatible with a technologically progressive society.
and what do common people get out of it? i'd rather have a cure for aids then a space travel. i guess this perfectly shows were you and i put our priorities

and your claim that "my philosophy" and technology can't go together is ridiculous. technology is great, this ain't something new it's just a space trip like manny astronauts have done before, for research however. i do not see the gain in sending people up there just for the fun of it.
not while it costs so freakin much and all, btw it will not get cheaper, space ship runs on oil, oil wil be gone in close time, meaning that oil prices will increase and this little thingy will probably be more expensive.
you are acting like they do something groundbreaking, while they just use what we already know to send some rich idiots up there, sorry but that is not technological advancement, that is pure decadence.

Firstly, the concern about oil is legitimate. It will be neccesary for us to find some alternative fueling method for these machines. Of course, in the future, once we escape the Earth and begin to expand out into the solar system, we will need more highly advanced machines anyhow.

As long as space is purely a research venture, we won't make much progress in actually populating it. This is the first step, however small, toward getting off this little rock.
I personally think Space Colonies and Space Hotels, if managed correctly, are a great idea.
don't you tghink we should first let the scientists make out if it is even possible to populate other planets?
i think since space is still such a mystery to us, that we should perhaps increase funds that way, but this space tourism will not get things on the way faster.

Well, I wasn't really even thinking of new planets, but the only way to find out is to take some experimental risks, when the time comes. With some advanced technology, Mars may be feasible.
Of course we should keep public funding flowing to the space research centers. But this is a way for private ventures to help us get a foot further into space... and I believe once we find some alternative fuel we'll definitely be seeing more efficient aeronautical designs for space tourism.