Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: By the way, am I the only one finding it ironic that the gays are the ones discussing this furiously?
Because, unless you find a divine surgeon, you probably won't have kids.

Hopefully I'll be able to adopt
Maybe.. I'm not sure how that works out legally.

Hopefully a pro-LGBT republican will win the presidential race and make it easier for us to adopt. That is what I am hoping for.
It's not very hard in the first place. As long as you don't walk in flaming, they can't really deny it to you.

I hope a pro-LGBT doesn't make it. What we need is someone who understands that people are people, not some catering asshole like we had with Webb. He truly was the mayor of Five-Points.

maiden's virus wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Hey, my dad used to beat the living shit outta me. Chipped a rib, gashed my face, and has even given me a few good black eyes. I never deserved it to that degree, and no one does. However, that punishment did put me in line, and made me break my old habits.
wtf, if my dad ever punshed me a black eye i would fuckin beat him up when i was old enough to take him on.
no one has the right to beat a kid so hard.
Well, now I do hit him back.

You also must understand, he's big, and is VERY strong. He knows how to hurt a person badly, he used to be a pro collegiate wrestler.

Of course not. No one should be beat at that extent. It worked on me, of course but at a high price.

DarkCrow wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: By the way, am I the only one finding it ironic that the gays are the ones discussing this furiously?
Because, unless you find a divine surgeon, you probably won't have kids.

Hopefully I'll be able to adopt
Maybe.. I'm not sure how that works out legally.

Hopefully a pro-LGBT republican will win the presidential race and make it easier for us to adopt. That is what I am hoping for.
It's not very hard in the first place. As long as you don't walk in flaming, they can't really deny it to you.

I hope a pro-LGBT doesn't make it. What we need is someone who understands that people are people, not some catering asshole like we had with Webb. He truly was the mayor of Five-Points.

When I say pro-LGBT, I mean a guy who won't restrict their rights. I don't mean one of these flag-waving pussies who wants to give them special treatment.

Gatocamera wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: Gatocamera wrote: Plushophile wrote: By the way, am I the only one finding it ironic that the gays are the ones discussing this furiously?
Because, unless you find a divine surgeon, you probably won't have kids.

Hopefully I'll be able to adopt
Maybe.. I'm not sure how that works out legally.

Hopefully a pro-LGBT republican will win the presidential race and make it easier for us to adopt. That is what I am hoping for.
It's not very hard in the first place. As long as you don't walk in flaming, they can't really deny it to you.

I hope a pro-LGBT doesn't make it. What we need is someone who understands that people are people, not some catering asshole like we had with Webb. He truly was the mayor of Five-Points.

When I say pro-LGBT, I mean a guy who won't restrict their rights. I don't mean one of these flag-waving pussies who wants to give them special treatment.
Thankfully, flamers are annoying.

The voter is who you really have to worry about.

Killer666 wrote: DarkCrow wrote: maiden's virus wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Hey, my dad used to beat the living shit outta me. Chipped a rib, gashed my face, and has even given me a few good black eyes. I never deserved it to that degree, and no one does. However, that punishment did put me in line, and made me break my old habits.
wtf, if my dad ever punshed me a black eye i would fuckin beat him up when i was old enough to take him on.
no one has the right to beat a kid so hard.
Well, now I do hit him back.

You also must understand, he's big, and is VERY strong. He knows how to hurt a person badly, he used to be a pro collegiate wrestler.

Of course not. No one should be beat at that extent. It worked on me, of course but at a high price.I would never hit my dad back.I respect him too much.He used to dare me to hit him back.Well back then I would have been stupid to.He could have broken me in half.If I had hit him when I got older it would have crossed a line that can never be uncrossed.Hitting your parent is probably the biggest act of disrespect ever.hitting a defenseless child is a way bigger form of disrespect in my book.

maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: DarkCrow wrote: maiden's virus wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Hey, my dad used to beat the living shit outta me. Chipped a rib, gashed my face, and has even given me a few good black eyes. I never deserved it to that degree, and no one does. However, that punishment did put me in line, and made me break my old habits.
wtf, if my dad ever punshed me a black eye i would fuckin beat him up when i was old enough to take him on.
no one has the right to beat a kid so hard.
Well, now I do hit him back.

You also must understand, he's big, and is VERY strong. He knows how to hurt a person badly, he used to be a pro collegiate wrestler.

Of course not. No one should be beat at that extent. It worked on me, of course but at a high price.I would never hit my dad back.I respect him too much.He used to dare me to hit him back.Well back then I would have been stupid to.He could have broken me in half.If I had hit him when I got older it would have crossed a line that can never be uncrossed.Hitting your parent is probably the biggest act of disrespect ever.hitting a defenseless child is a way bigger form of disrespect in my book.It depends on the situation.DarkCrow had it rough with his father breaking ribs and so forth,He should have called the authorities.Me and you come from two totally different perspectives(times,culture and countries). I strongly disagree with raising a hand to a parent.It's not child's place to dicipline a parent.

Killer666 wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: DarkCrow wrote: maiden's virus wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Hey, my dad used to beat the living shit outta me. Chipped a rib, gashed my face, and has even given me a few good black eyes. I never deserved it to that degree, and no one does. However, that punishment did put me in line, and made me break my old habits.
wtf, if my dad ever punshed me a black eye i would fuckin beat him up when i was old enough to take him on.
no one has the right to beat a kid so hard.
Well, now I do hit him back.

You also must understand, he's big, and is VERY strong. He knows how to hurt a person badly, he used to be a pro collegiate wrestler.

Of course not. No one should be beat at that extent. It worked on me, of course but at a high price.I would never hit my dad back.I respect him too much.He used to dare me to hit him back.Well back then I would have been stupid to.He could have broken me in half.If I had hit him when I got older it would have crossed a line that can never be uncrossed.Hitting your parent is probably the biggest act of disrespect ever.hitting a defenseless child is a way bigger form of disrespect in my book.It depends on the situation.DarkCrow had it rough with his father breaking ribs and so forth,He should have called the authorities.Me and you come from two totally different perspectives(times,culture and countries). I strongly disagree with raising a hand to a parent.It's not child's place to dicipline a parent.
like i said, if my dad would have hit me like that, i wouldn't even consider him my father, he would be dead to me, and i would kick his ass to make him remember what it feels like.

maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: DarkCrow wrote: maiden's virus wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Hey, my dad used to beat the living shit outta me. Chipped a rib, gashed my face, and has even given me a few good black eyes. I never deserved it to that degree, and no one does. However, that punishment did put me in line, and made me break my old habits.
wtf, if my dad ever punshed me a black eye i would fuckin beat him up when i was old enough to take him on.
no one has the right to beat a kid so hard.
Well, now I do hit him back.

You also must understand, he's big, and is VERY strong. He knows how to hurt a person badly, he used to be a pro collegiate wrestler.

Of course not. No one should be beat at that extent. It worked on me, of course but at a high price.I would never hit my dad back.I respect him too much.He used to dare me to hit him back.Well back then I would have been stupid to.He could have broken me in half.If I had hit him when I got older it would have crossed a line that can never be uncrossed.Hitting your parent is probably the biggest act of disrespect ever.hitting a defenseless child is a way bigger form of disrespect in my book.It depends on the situation.DarkCrow had it rough with his father breaking ribs and so forth,He should have called the authorities.Me and you come from two totally different perspectives(times,culture and countries). I strongly disagree with raising a hand to a parent.It's not child's place to dicipline a parent.
like i said, if my dad would have hit me like that, i wouldn't even consider him my father, he would be dead to me, and i would kick his ass to make him remember what it feels like.I can understand that if you are hitting him back at the time when he is hitting you.I mean you have to defend yourself.Waiting to get bigger to hit him for hitting you when you were younger is another story though.

Killer666 wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: DarkCrow wrote: maiden's virus wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Hey, my dad used to beat the living shit outta me. Chipped a rib, gashed my face, and has even given me a few good black eyes. I never deserved it to that degree, and no one does. However, that punishment did put me in line, and made me break my old habits.
wtf, if my dad ever punshed me a black eye i would fuckin beat him up when i was old enough to take him on.
no one has the right to beat a kid so hard.
Well, now I do hit him back.

You also must understand, he's big, and is VERY strong. He knows how to hurt a person badly, he used to be a pro collegiate wrestler.

Of course not. No one should be beat at that extent. It worked on me, of course but at a high price.I would never hit my dad back.I respect him too much.He used to dare me to hit him back.Well back then I would have been stupid to.He could have broken me in half.If I had hit him when I got older it would have crossed a line that can never be uncrossed.Hitting your parent is probably the biggest act of disrespect ever.hitting a defenseless child is a way bigger form of disrespect in my book.It depends on the situation.DarkCrow had it rough with his father breaking ribs and so forth,He should have called the authorities.Me and you come from two totally different perspectives(times,culture and countries). I strongly disagree with raising a hand to a parent.It's not child's place to dicipline a parent.
like i said, if my dad would have hit me like that, i wouldn't even consider him my father, he would be dead to me, and i would kick his ass to make him remember what it feels like.I can understand that if you are hitting him back at the time when he is hitting you.I mean you have to defend yourself.Waiting to get bigger to hit him for hitting you when you were younger is another story though.
a 10 year old or even a 15 year old for that matter cannot defend himself.
i would have no mercy with him and would patiently wait for my time to come.

maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Killer666 wrote: DarkCrow wrote: maiden's virus wrote: DarkCrow wrote: Hey, my dad used to beat the living shit outta me. Chipped a rib, gashed my face, and has even given me a few good black eyes. I never deserved it to that degree, and no one does. However, that punishment did put me in line, and made me break my old habits.
wtf, if my dad ever punshed me a black eye i would fuckin beat him up when i was old enough to take him on.
no one has the right to beat a kid so hard.
Well, now I do hit him back.

You also must understand, he's big, and is VERY strong. He knows how to hurt a person badly, he used to be a pro collegiate wrestler.

Of course not. No one should be beat at that extent. It worked on me, of course but at a high price.I would never hit my dad back.I respect him too much.He used to dare me to hit him back.Well back then I would have been stupid to.He could have broken me in half.If I had hit him when I got older it would have crossed a line that can never be uncrossed.Hitting your parent is probably the biggest act of disrespect ever.hitting a defenseless child is a way bigger form of disrespect in my book.It depends on the situation.DarkCrow had it rough with his father breaking ribs and so forth,He should have called the authorities.Me and you come from two totally different perspectives(times,culture and countries). I strongly disagree with raising a hand to a parent.It's not child's place to dicipline a parent.
like i said, if my dad would have hit me like that, i wouldn't even consider him my father, he would be dead to me, and i would kick his ass to make him remember what it feels like.I can understand that if you are hitting him back at the time when he is hitting you.I mean you have to defend yourself.Waiting to get bigger to hit him for hitting you when you were younger is another story though.
a 10 year old or even a 15 year old for that matter cannot defend himself.
i would have no mercy with him and would patiently wait for my time to come.If a man is beating a child so bad that he is breaking bones and giving bruises he should be removed from the home.If you wait 5-10 years to exact your revenge you're really not much better then him.

Killer nailed it. America and Belgium are two entirely different cultures. What is right in one culture isn't neccesarily acceptable in another.

My dad grew up with southern religious extremenists (as is my dad). But he said his dad (my grandfather) used to beat him with sticks to the point where he would literally have bruises for over a week on his legs. My dad is big on discipline, but he knows how to do it correctly, he has told me personally we would never beat his child the way his father did when he was growing up.

Butosai wrote: My dad grew up with southern religious extremenists (as is my dad). But he said his dad (my grandfather) used to beat him with sticks to the point where he would literally have bruises for over a week on his legs. My dad is big on discipline, but he knows how to do it correctly, he has told me personally we would never beat his child the way his father did when he was growing up.Same here just one generation removed.My dad did put marks on us.My brothers and my sister have children of their own now.I do not.None of my brothers or my sister hit their children.I think my sister was too soft on her kids though.She spoiled them and was trying to hard to be their friend thentheir mom.They grew up selfish and spoiled.Now they are young men and have not changed.

Killer666 wrote: Butosai wrote: My dad grew up with southern religious extremenists (as is my dad). But he said his dad (my grandfather) used to beat him with sticks to the point where he would literally have bruises for over a week on his legs. My dad is big on discipline, but he knows how to do it correctly, he has told me personally we would never beat his child the way his father did when he was growing up.Same here just one generation removed.My dad did put marks on us.My brothers and my sister have children of their own now.I do not.None of my brothers or my sister hit their children.I think my sister was too soft on her kids though.She spoiled them and was trying to hard to be their friend thentheir mom.They grew up selfish and spoiled.Now they are young men and have not changed.

I know that, I hate when parents do that type of shit and just really spoil their kids. Really, beating kids gets nowhere, it's all about successfully getting your (the parents) point across. I'm graceful towards my dad for doing that, he doesn't beat me, but he does work my ass off job wise, he does ground me, and I know better not to back talk him or whine if I don't get my way, or he probably would give me a hit that would leave a sting.

Even if it was right when my dad was a kid to hit children that hard, it still doesn't make it right overall. I respect parents that raised their kids good without always turning to the physical abuse side of things.

I guess what I'm saying is either way, being too harsh or too easy both has negative side affects on children, and I've definitely have seen both. It's all about inforcing discipline correctly.